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SGT_Pepper
20 Nov 2006, 12:40
OK so nobody seems to wanna mention the unmentionable. That which has no name..... What is does have a name.......
CHEATING!
This is not my story but I will tell it anyway. Fridat night saw the visit of a secret superhero named HAX... He is the best player UT has ever seen... that is with all his cheats,hax, aimbots. HAX set his hack to the max and joined the UT servers. A couple of shots later you become aware that something is not right. 5 shots later you realize that the man has a super duper aimbot. At first I was pissed off to see such a insult to the game but apon chatting with man i saw his intention where just to highlight just how possible it is to cheat in unreal. How old our antitcc is.
Have u ever been playing in unreal where some dudes aim is just to good... Where 4 or 5 impossible headshots... seem to be normal. Mmmmm you get the feeling something is not right. We'll after discussion with HAX I was assured that there are ppl in unreal cheating. Daily! Lets call these ppl "Weenies" due to the fact they feel the need to cheat at computer games. HAX was saying that "Weenies" are running rife on our servers and nobody is interested in stopping them. His message friday night even after being banned ... a couple of times (LOL) was that due to lazy server admin our game has become corrupt. Weenies everywhere. :eek:
SO the question remains.... What are we gonna do about NERDS with small weeners who feel the need to cheat?????? Can we fix it?
On a more personal note... To those Weenies... least u bet me on the server know I am better then you. I will always be better then you. The score might show you winning... but you know you still the same old loser you will always be. I am better then you! :teehee: Hahahah ... loser..... haahahaha
Love the GAME!!
UT ROCKS!
(not sure what the UT community response will be to this. But i hope it will be positive. Maybe we can pull together make our game the best.)
:)
[N]Haja
20 Nov 2006, 12:57
Ye, cheaters suck big time. The only person to talk to regarding server upgrades is TP, or Elyzium.
As far as hack users go, I do feel sorry for them. They do not bother me though, as I know when I play a good game, I do not check my score to see that. Also, no matter what Anti-cheat we have on, they will always be prevailent, its the nature of 'the game'. It may slow the hack users down, but soon a new bot wil be out, and they wil come on. If you can hack in CS, which has updates every time you join the server, why should another FPS be different?
I dunno, as much as I would love to stop them all, I fear we cannot, but perhaps by keeping the servers up to date we can minimise the incidents for sure.
I havent ever suspected anyone of cheating.
How does this HAX guy know anyone else is?
More importantly, if he is certain of the guys cheating why not tell an admin and have the dood banned?
<I know because he can get another key, the point is the guys name will be tarnished and you can't get another one of those ;)>
I think that HAX is an imbecile for thinking that perpetuating this crap is the way to get rid of it. Its like me stealing all of his possesions so that I can make a point of how easy it is to break into his house.
Well done HAX, you're pretty intelligent for a man with an extra chromosome 23.
Syzygy78
20 Nov 2006, 13:42
HAX is certainly correct. There are more and more players running aimbots...
Karnaugh
20 Nov 2006, 14:08
Have u ever been playing in unreal where some dudes aim is just to good... Where 4 or 5 impossible headshots...
Yup. Quite a lot of the ZT players actually.
Who really cares though. Aim doesn't win you a game, and you can still dodge an aimbot ;)
Put an aimbot in a duel with Naut or Mburr or something, the aimbot will get thrashed. why? Because the players still have no ability to move fluidly, they still don't know the maps properly, they still don't know how to evade certain projectiles or do certain jumps etc and they still can't manage their health or time armor.
How do you know who's cheating? Look for the guy who will shock you every time he fires, yet can't dodge a rocket.
Karnaugh
20 Nov 2006, 14:20
I dunno who would use real aimbots though, but I'm quite sure people are.
The only people that consistently challenge me is like Sam, Naut and a few random TA players. The rest are just fodder with the occasional one winning when he tuned his aimbot right or i was just not paying attention at all.
Oh, and don't be confused by smurfs. Sam and most of the 42 guys play as bullshit nicknames rather regularly, and they definitely aren't cheating :P
Thallium
20 Nov 2006, 14:36
Just curious Karnaugh, quite a bold statement saying alot of the ZT players use aimbots...
umm... go back, re-read what Karn was Quoting, then re-read what karn said...
Have u ever been playing in unreal where some dudes aim is just to good... Where 4 or 5 impossible headshots...
Yup. Quite a lot of the ZT players actually.
maybe karn was just pointing out that some ZT players are good...
How about health hax and wall hax. Ive had in some ffa games where I lg a guy three times and countless mini shots afterwards and he still gets away. On top of that I was controlling the 100! Even if he had the 50 and 199 health, should he not have kicked teh bucket? Wall hax are hard to prove and could be random luck spam or some carefull timing and predicting, but I think this could be one of the most used hax.
SGT_Pepper
20 Nov 2006, 14:47
LOL think Kar was joking.. joker. I saw Naut play HAX on friday and lost 18-30. Wihich was freakin amazing considering the aimbot was set to like 100%. But he still lost. Just think we should get the server updated to try prevent stuff like this. For a noob to come in and start owning ppl due to a cheat is a insult to every hour every miniute I have spent trying to get better. It robs me a deserved rankin and pisses me off. I will say it does up our game though. We have to be better each aimbot/wallhax we play against.
Lets just try fix the server as much as possible. The rest we will just have to tolerate.
The old saying..fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me....
ps. Plato, HAX's point was just to illustrate that ppl are cheating and that it's not to hard to do. I think HAX rocks! Took balls to step-up and shine a tourch into the dark parts of unreal.
Should I just link ready made replies in the Aimbot thread? Wouldn't that be much easier? ;)
Ask Karnaugh to load it on Mweb. TP and Elezium is a bit slow to do anything on SGS.
Maybe we should ask Karn before speculating anymore about what he might have ment...
Karn do you think/know there are one or more players in ZT cheating?
Thallium
20 Nov 2006, 15:09
Well, from the original quote one can see that Pepper was speaking of people who are cheating.
And after that speaking of the ZT players on a topic which is against cheaters, the above comment is obviously directed at them being cheaters. [ NOTE THE WORDS 'Impossible Headshots'
(Karnaugh, if this is not the case, then no worries, just a misinterpretation of words then sorry)
Oh ye, right - we all really believe that.
WTF???.. this is like talking to a 5yr old :confused:
I would quit the clan. Luckily I am very confident they the are not cheating so am not bummed at all. I have LANed with most of them, see? =]
Though I am not for getting involved with the idoicy of flamewars, I have to say that I dont think its an outrageous assumption by jok3r, Thallium. You still have to look at the context that Sgt_Pepper wrote it even though Karn quoted a portion of it.
Karnaugh
20 Nov 2006, 15:30
The problem with Anti-tcc is that it's crap. The performance hit that it gives anyone just isn't worth it for the resulting rather poor detection rate.
How about health hax and wall hax. Ive had in some ffa games where I lg a guy three times and countless mini shots afterwards and he still gets away.
Thats the crap netcode and dodgey version of UTComp that *still* has not been upgraded on SGS. I've lg'd people full on in the face twice in a row and nothing happened because it was randomly not detected or something, and sometimes lg'd past them and a second later they were killed by the shot.
Yup. Quite a lot of the ZT players actually.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=satire
Get a life if you feel the need to over react all the time.
Cripple-X
20 Nov 2006, 19:12
I saw Naut play HAX on friday and lost 18-30. Wihich was freakin amazing considering the aimbot was set to like 100%.
Yeah but just to clear that up he had wallhax on as well. Later Naut asked him to take off the wallhax just to see how he would do VS an aimbot and well, as Karnaugh said, the aimbot didn't help him much at all.
I spoke to a bud of mine who is very well known in the CS community and he said it is very simple to use aimbots and wall hax so that no one could find out. Hax was doing it blatantly to make a statement.
LordScallyWag
20 Nov 2006, 19:34
The incident in question which Crips mentions was a big eye opener for me. I was spectating from Hax and to see the cheats in action and it was disturbing. He did not make a lot of combo shots, did not use the link well(in range terms), but used it a lot, and used mini and lg to good effect. He did not move well at all to start off with, then they started another game with wep stay off, was much closer between him and naut. Then he kicked in a higher gear and it was just not really fair.
As for day to day use "on the down low" of hacks, I know i have been very frustrated before, like couple proper flak shots and no death or combination on flak and lg and the okes just runs away. However these can often be exlpained by the online nature of the game and the servers being full or whateva.
Hay hay guys, i meen, Cmon, i understadn when a guy play FFA Aimbot Wallhax, it could sux, but i rather prefer to play a aimbot dude and beat him than a Normal guy and beat him..
U know, Beating a Chear is like, like ::FAR-OUT::
Manta
War]-[eaD
20 Nov 2006, 21:45
Hey guys, today is officially my one month milestone on playin UT online, and I must say... this thread has shocked me quite a bit! :(
For a noob to come in and start owning ppl due to a cheat is a insult to every hour every miniute I have spent trying to get better. It robs me a deserved rankin and pisses me off. I will say it does up our game though. We have to be better each aimbot/wallhax we play against.
I too have been practicing HOURS at a time to try and become a player worth mentioning and I feel that the exact same way about this as Sgt_Pepper... Even if it does up our game it still sux, this is a little punk who prolly can't even dodge propperly who is beating the best of the best, who have been playing Ut since teh UT99 days... and I think that is totally unfair.
As for day to day use "on the down low" of hacks, I know i have been very frustrated before, like couple proper flak shots and no death or combination on flak and lg and the okes just runs away. However these can often be exlpained by the online nature of the game and the servers being full or whateva.
This is also another weird thing I've also picked up... it's pretty crap sometimes... liek the guy would carry on dodging for a while after you've LG'd his head off of his shoulders... Or then you run around a corner after being hit and then only die.
I am still too new to say what is causing this, but I think our high pings (Due to Telkoms super kewl, ub3r l33t infrastructure) is F@#$ing us hard!
Thanx all you hacking goat jerking f@#%s for giving us such a hard time and I hope all of you enjoy it, coz that's prolly the only thing in life you can enjoy, due to the fact that you're dicks are to small to do anyting with...
And thanx to Telkom for the EXCELLENT telecomms infrastructure we pay with our souls for.
Cheers!
W]-[D
War]-[eaD
20 Nov 2006, 21:48
EISCH!!! My first rant since I've joined... :D:D:D
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
[N]Haja
20 Nov 2006, 22:04
feels good eh?
Karnaugh
20 Nov 2006, 22:11
People don't seem to understand something. The fact that AntiTCC is not on the server IS NOT AN INVITATION TO CHEAT.
You don't look clever using an aimbot on a server that LETS YOU. You don't look good using one either, so what is the point?
Nautilian
20 Nov 2006, 22:54
Karn you 100% right, AntiTCC is needed but in saying that it needs to be kept up to date. One needs to know that an aimbot can work on a ratio basis. This means that for every 5 out of 10 shots it will assist. You can even turn off headshots. So don't be fooled in thinking that an aimbot is 100% accuracy all the way.
As HAX pointed out, you get many wallhax - this can go as far as using OpenGL and rendering the game in wireframe. Antitcc cannot check this and at the end of the day it comes to a players integrity to play the game for what it is.
If you choose to cheat, that is your problem since all you are doing is stunting your fun in the game and pushing yourself away from the community. If you really want to cheap go download one of those cheesy porn games, get the cheats for it and skip to the part where the chick is naked.
Naut ;)
4 years have passed since i started playing ut online on a regular basis, still yet to encounter a cheater...
mountain out of a molehill guys?
If you choose to cheat, that is your problem since all you are doing is stunting your fun in the game and pushing yourself away from the community. If you really want to cheap go download one of those cheesy porn games, get the cheats for it and skip to the part where the chick is naked.
Naut ;)
Good analogy. Well put!
GM<Jaymac>MF
21 Nov 2006, 01:47
I reckon we remove AntiTCC from the servers altogether. It slows down the connection and it does nothing to stop the "weenies." In any case, the only fun they could possibly get from cheating is thinking that they were smart enough to h4x0r the AntiTCC, and if we take that away, seriously, what will be left.
I say we let them cheat. Let them sit at home and waste their time and life doing something that is neither fun nor satisfying.
To give you an idea. The other day I walked into a spiralled triple rocket and...
Nothing!
No damage whatsoever.
You guys have all experienced giving a guy a face full of flak and not hearing that satisfying hit sound.
I`m almost certain that anti-tcc is behind this.
I don't remember experiencing these kind of bugs before it was installed. I remember alot of guys complaing (when it was first installed) at the lagginess and "missed" shots.
As has been mentioned before:
-The vote kick option would be a good enough moderator. However we are not grown up enough to treat each other with respect, so it would end up in people getting kicked out of spite. :(
-Anti-tcc was disabled for about a week and I experienced a marked improvement in gameplay. Give me a smooth running game with the possibilty of cheats over a feeling of 'protection' any day.
I would not be surprised if HAX and AimBot are the same person.
<Insert witty end remark here>
You know that the community wanted it on even though it was said that it only causes lag.
Karnaugh
21 Nov 2006, 12:05
I`m almost certain that anti-tcc is behind this.
?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!
WTF PEOPLE. Please wake up! Anti-TCC is NOT on SGS DM and has not been for some time! It's only on the duel servers
War]-[eaD
21 Nov 2006, 12:09
Well said j0k3r!!! :D:D:D
GM<Jaymac>MF
21 Nov 2006, 12:47
It's probably a good thing to have it on, all in all - since it probably does reduce the number of people using cheats by a large degree.
Just those that know how to decieve Antittcc will get past it, and well frankly - they can go fuck themselves.
Seriously, I say let the whole lot cheat if they want! Honestly, how can it be fun if there's nothing in it??
WTF PEOPLE. Please wake up! Anti-TCC is NOT on SGS DM and has not been for some time! It's only on the duel servers
Shoot me now, cause I am an idiot then.
Sorry :o
// I could have sworn I saw "You died, performing mid game check" last night.
Karnaugh
21 Nov 2006, 14:47
Shoot me now, cause I am an idiot then.
Sorry :o
// I could have sworn I saw "You died, performing mid game check" last night.
You were probably on the mod or duel server.
You were probably on the mod or duel server.
Yup, it was the mod server.
Sorry about that, thanks for clearing it up :)
Cataphract
22 Nov 2006, 10:34
BTW, HAX also uses a UT keygen. I banned him 4 times on Friday evening.
How about, like every other legal-loving, cheater-hating, rule-enforcing host in the world, SGS just turns on the master server uplink like they SHOULD have had on for the past 540283 years.
Then a keygen WOULD NOT WORK.
cyghost
22 Nov 2006, 11:31
+1
Hear-hear Shrimpo. Does "but it breaks my shoddy mod" still reign supreme?
Karnaugh
22 Nov 2006, 12:10
How about, like every other legal-loving, cheater-hating, rule-enforcing host in the world, SGS just turns on the master server uplink like they SHOULD have had on for the past 540283 years.
Then a keygen WOULD NOT WORK.
It is on. A keygen can still work.
O RLY?
When did it come on? How does a keygen work when keys are supposed to be checked against a fixed list on the master server?
cyghost
22 Nov 2006, 12:27
are you sure karnaugh? a while ago I could not authenticate to the master server but still manage to log onto the SGS servers?
and as far as I know the master server is pretty good at banning illegal keys?
Karnaugh
22 Nov 2006, 12:33
O RLY?
When did it come on? How does a keygen work when keys are supposed to be checked against a fixed list on the master server?
Because it's a big list. What they do is generate key after key until one works.
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