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mudd@
26 Apr 2005, 08:11
TELKOM is likely to decrease the price of its asymmetric digital subscriber line (ADSL) offerings from August 1 this year, due to amended legislation which will force the company to submit its ADSL services to regulatory price controls. </FONT>

The news will be welcomed by Telkom's estimated 60 000 ADSL users and would-be users. However, campaigners for lower Telkom ADSL prices are doubtful that the change will help bring the high SA broadband rates anywhere near overseas rates.

The Independent Communications Authority of SA (Icasa) has amended its current price control legislation, which controls the cost of Telkom's services, to include its ADSL services, Telkom executive for regulatory and public policy Gabriel Celli said. The draft amended legislation is currently awaiting approval from Communications Minister Ivy Matsepe-Casaburri, but Telkom anticipates that it will take effect from August 1, Celli said.

The price control regulation stipulates that overall, Telkom cannot increase the prices of its services by more than the inflation rate - less the productivity index, which should be determined in June, Celli said.

The ASDL price decrease will thus depend on the productivity index. The charges may drop further when the number of customers increases.

Telkom will not reveal its profit margins on ADSL services, Celli said.

A comparison by MyADSL moderator Gary Hart of 512k ADSL prices, excluding phone line rental, shows the following: Telkom SA charges R938 and imposes a 3GB cap, compared with UKOnline R111 (no cap), Tiscali UK R179 (30GB cap), BSNL India R246 (5GB), Bigpond Aus R286 (10GB) and Amnet Australia R303 (32GB).

But Celli said the price differences are not simply exploitation of consumers.

BT, for instance, has around two million ADSL clients.

However, "we can and we will reduce our ADSL prices", he said, reiterating what he told the hearing. "It is a growth area and it is in our own interest that [the user base] of ADSL expands."

Telkom was called to explain the relatively high cost of its ADSL offerings and uncompetitive behaviour over its provision of infrastructure needed for ADSL provision by other ISPs, as well as the contentious capping of some of these services, at a four-day hearing by Icasa that ended on Monday.

Individual users and MWeb, MTN Network Solutions, Internet Solutions and Internet Society and MyADSL aired their grievances and questioned Telkom in a two-hour session at the final sitting.

Rudolph Muller, the founder of MyADSL, said that although it will be great news if Telkom's ADSL prices dropped, they will need to be reduced by at least 70% to make ADSL affordable in South Africa. To make this possible, Telkom needs to drop its charges for line rental, which is not charged in connection with ADSL services overseas.

He said Telkom does not want to reduce its ADSL prices because at present the company is pocketing substantial revenue from its other Internet provision services such as Diginet, a form of Internet connectivity that costs in the thousands each month, and dial-up Internet connectivity, which allows the company to charge the cost of local calls per minute connected.

The second major issue discussed at the hearings, the three gigabyte (3GB) capping of some of Telkom's ADSL services, was presented as an issue because the majority of the participants are people who provide an ADSL-related business service, Celli said.

Yet services that have the 3GB cap are intended for the use of small business and residential users, he said.

"The cap is not an issue for the end user - but it is for people making money out of ADSL," he said. Some users and businesses use an enormous amount of bandwidth to download vast amounts of data and for peer-to-peer file sharing, causing the service to slow considerably, which means that all users suffer, he said.

Telkom has other products that are more relevant for the latter purpose but he conceded that they are more expensive. IP Connect, a product designed specifically for ISP providers such as IS and MWeb, costs R27 000 a month.

Telkom was also challenged for uncompetitive behaviour with regard to the cost of infrastructure for ADSL services provided by other ISPs. MTN Network Solutions chief executive officer Mike Brierley said Internet service providers are unable to compete fairly with Telkom in the broadband market. Telkom was "unable to give credible answers" to many of the questions raised at the hearings, said Richard Heath, MWeb's legal representative. "The proof of the pudding is what regulatory measures [Icasa] puts in place to curb the anti-competitive conduct [that Telkom] has been engaging in, in relation to ADSL," he said.

Icasa's panel is to deliberate the written and oral submissions on the issue and will publish its findings and conclusion, following the Section 27 inquiry. Based on this, Icasa will decide how to take the process forward, said Dianne Ngoasheng, senior manager for Icasa's consumer department.

Divexo
26 Apr 2005, 10:15
WOW - chop them
:)

Xorac
26 Apr 2005, 11:36
Wow, didn't know that April 1 comes twice in a year :P.

Gamos
26 Apr 2005, 12:02
Watch them drop it another 80 bucks like they did with the R680 -> R599 drop. Then you will pay R520pm and still R250+ for your ISP.

I don't exactly envision us becoming internationally comparible come Aug1st.

mudd@
26 Apr 2005, 12:21
Look - any cent I can get back in my pocket is great - 80 bucks will be most welcome.

Communication is the backbone of all advances in our society. Maybe one day adsl will be standard in all homes and cost a little more than a water account. Till that day - the majority will be in the dark ages.

Shrimp
26 Apr 2005, 12:24
Aug1st.

That's quite nifty :)

Gamos
26 Apr 2005, 12:29
Bwhahahahaha, pure accident! :)

<A>BioGizzard
26 Apr 2005, 12:30
c'ing is believing...

LeG@cY
26 Apr 2005, 12:56
Pfffffftttt.......

What Bio Said

camel
26 Apr 2005, 13:44
we shall c, i've got my fingers crossed, expect the worse, hope and act for the best...

Gamos
26 Apr 2005, 14:09
In somewhat related news, did you guys read about the Telkom CEO calling it a day end 2005? Lemme go find the link...

Click (http://www.reuters.co.za/locales/c_newsArticle.jsp;:426d1a3b:1c2d85fac6751033?type= businessNews&localeKey=en_ZA&storyID=8285415)

"Telkom said Chief Executive Sizwe Nxasana, who oversaw South Africa's biggest privatisation to date when the company listed in 2003, had decided not to extend his contract beyond the end of December 2005, when it expires."

I am sure his 11 million bonus cheque last year, and his R 30 000 daily pay cheque will tie him over nicely till old age.

Macera
26 Apr 2005, 15:12
Sigh, I want that job@$!@

sneaky
26 Apr 2005, 15:23
No, you want the chairmans Job.

LeG@cY
26 Apr 2005, 15:48
Ye I would like that job 2.

What say you Måçërå (http://måçërå/) ??? Shall we take our PC's 2 work with us & just play games on a super fast T 1000 Conection :) ROFL !

We can split the money in 2 ! We will retire heppy :D

Macera
26 Apr 2005, 18:46
sure, deal!

Terror
26 Apr 2005, 20:18
hehe , bring on cheap dsl.

-nT-|REDZ|
01 May 2005, 14:17
Damn Telkom, Em Buggarz Really Got em fingerz on me Gold.... and i dont like that....
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Bloody Telkom.......

VirtualForce
01 May 2005, 15:23
I am sure his 11 million bonus cheque last year, and his R 30 000 daily pay cheque will tie him over nicely till old age.

mmm.....I wonder what system I could build with that kinda money...prolly something a little more powerfull than my 1700 XP and GF4 Ti 4400...might just. :rolleyes:

EvilCow
01 May 2005, 17:03
ok, what is this like the 185615243th time telkom said they would drop their prices?

im sorry, I can only fall for the same lie so many times. :(

Garfield
02 May 2005, 10:42
Sizwe will work closely with the new CEO to ensure an orderly handover of his responsibilities prior to his departure," Telkom said in a statement


ok boy this is what you need to do


take the 32000 bucks a day and umm do nothing to help the south africaon peopl e

dont worry you will still get the money even though you do sh!t

DawEEd
03 May 2005, 09:43
dont worry you will still get the money even though you do sh!t

So now I know what the pile under the chairman seat was, and I suppose it explained the smell in the office.

Not taking that job, for that smelly office, the pay ain't just good enuff...

[N]Haja
03 May 2005, 09:44
R32k a day, man, thats not even funny. I mean seriously, what can some1 do that is worth R32k a day?
persnally, that kind of corruption makes me want to vomit.

hai2u
03 May 2005, 09:56
uhh the previous price drop was only temporary I think, I remember reading "untill August 2005" somewhere...

<A>BioGizzard
03 May 2005, 10:12
rofl, that sounds like the petrol prices, they take it down first b4 they up it alot...:P

DawEEd
03 May 2005, 10:23
As far as i read up on the previous price drop it was because the adsl customer base hit above 50 000 users. so they dropped the price, not that it's some special, just that they be making enuff money for them to feel kindly enuff to drop the pricing. And in the icasa inquiry telkom did say the adsl pricing was to drop with the customer base growing.

Gamos
03 May 2005, 10:40
Well, since the pricedrop their number of subscribers increased to 60 000.

If they don't catch that hint...

<A>BioGizzard
03 May 2005, 11:08
maybe they can't count....or they're not in it for the money

how many internet users are there plus minus?

Zyron
03 May 2005, 12:26
how many internet users are there plus minus?

You need to classify "internet users". You play games and download stuff Bio, so you are a INTERNET ABUSER (shame on you!).

Users that only use up to 200mb per month for emails + some pictures are the true internet users. They rock! :D

<A>BioGizzard
03 May 2005, 12:34
You need to classify "internet users". You play games and download stuff Bio, so you are a INTERNET ABUSER (shame on you!).

Users that only use up to 200mb per month for emails + some pictures are the true internet users. They rock! :D

Ok!OK!...How many INTERNET ABUSERS, including "internet users", are there plus minus?

G'z the cheak u 56k'ers have these days r revolting...:D

Dace
03 May 2005, 21:12
Sorry to go off-topic, but I feel like sharing this.

Hows this for Telkom service (I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who has had this situation) :

I use their online ADSL Exchange availability checker - checks out, exchange supports ADSL.
Phone Telkom, order ADSL - checks out.
Telkom comes to test the lines while I'm out.
Two weeks later, nothing has happened, so I call them.
Turns out my exchange is outdated and does not support ADSL (something about copper wires instead of fiber optics, ...). And they didn't even bother to tell me, just cancelled my application.

Grrr.... seems like I'm destined for 56k :/

(Ok, now that I've finished whining, back on topic http://www.unreal.co.za/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif)

crash
03 May 2005, 21:26
Okay.... ADSL will only work when you have copper wire running from your DP to the Exchange!!!!

If you have fiber between DP and exchange, you are screwed. Unless you ask telkom nicely the throw an extra R10000 or so at the problem.

I believe you have been BULLSHITTED!!! HAHAHA........ :p

Dace
03 May 2005, 21:29
Yip, sounds like it. Sucks though :(

Poltergeist
03 May 2005, 21:55
I think telkom needs tyo get their act together before any other telecommunications company comes to south africa...Heard that a company called A.T&T (or something like that) is trying to get into south africa.Well thats what ive heard.

But as soon as they are here,guess who is going down....Ill give u 3 guesses but ull only need 1. http://www.unreal.co.za/forums/images/icons/icon7.gif

Im sick and tired of telekoms shit, their high rates too!!!Wonder if they have to pay the phone bill at the end of the month for internet. F&#%ers!!!

hai2u
03 May 2005, 22:21
.Heard that a company called A.T&T (or something like that) is trying to get into south africa.

I think whoever told you that is smoking crack.

[N]Haja
04 May 2005, 07:24
Get an sms from KidRoboTron yesterday

"Ordered my 8 meg line today. 29 pounds a month with a free wireless router. 1000 kb/s d/l speeds"

Son of a bitch :(

Although I have to say, other than the over priced service, I have never really had a problem with telkom. I always try to be friendly on the phone, and ppl respond well to this. From ISDN days, I have had ppl come out after 11pm to fix my line, also once with ADSL they came after 11:30pm on a friday night (plus it was raining). So i guess its also got to do with the area you are in, and the ppl you deal with. Just like you get good Agents and bad agents, so you get good Telkom regions and bad. Pity that the worst regions are the ones where there seems to be the most people :P

Bean
04 May 2005, 13:10
Yah - I can agree with that -- from my ISDN days I only ever had really good service from Telkom. I only had about 4 probs over the years, but they always sent people within 24 hours- if not the same day. They even sent two vans with 4 people around once. Very strange -- Maybe they had too many ISDN guys in my area and not enough elsewhere :)

Also had an ADSL guy around a few days after logging a recent issue and that was only because I couldn't be at home any earlier. So far it's been good...

Macera
05 May 2005, 05:03
me too, not much problem, except ALWAYS when it rains, my connection is either very dodgy or completely disconnects for the whole night :/

LeG@cY
05 May 2005, 10:18
Rofl that happened to us aswell Macera, long time ago... Your lines are old... tell them you want a new one :)

DawEEd
05 May 2005, 10:48
Called telkom today to get a status on the my adsl installation, which was supposed to be in 2 weeks ago, their last excuse for the delay was that they lost the cables. whatever that means. so today when I called 0800375375 and pressed 2 for status on installation, I just get an engaged tone. after a couple of attempts, I pressed 1 to log a fault. when sum1 eventually answered, I asked for a status on my installation, he told me to call back and press 2, i told him it disconnects me. so he went on his little mission, and told me that the holding queue to those guys was full, and that I have to call back l8r. So there is definetly a big demand for adsl and a lot of ppl are waiting for installation.