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[N]Haja
17 Aug 2006, 21:20
Good news if they can pull it off, bad news if it just kills our BW even more :

The ICASA ADSL Regulations, of which ITWeb received an early copy, brings some good news for consumers although the pricing of ADSL is not really addressed. The two most contentious issues among ADSL subscribers are the high ADSL access charges and the low monthly usage limits. These two issues seemed to have been left untouched by the regulations.
The regulations call for a pricing structure of an installation charge, a ‘monthly rental for provisioning and maintenance of ADSL lines’ and a bandwidth charge. It is however not clear whether the ‘monthly rental’ refers to the current line rental or current ADSL access charges.
Should the ‘monthly rental’ that is being referred to be the same as the current ADSL access charges it means that the basic ADSL pricing structure will remain unchanged.
Good News
There is however a fair amount of good news for ADSL users in the regulations.
The regulations call for uncapped local bandwidth, something that will definitely boost the local IT and broadband arena.
It is interesting to note that Telkom’s initial ADSL offering, launched in 2002, had uncapped local bandwidth, but that changed on the 1st of November 2005 with the introduction of usage-based bandwidth billing.
More good news for consumers is that the regulations call for an installation period of no longer than 30 days. It further states that port prioritization, also known as traffic shaping, shall not be allowed.
A very interesting regulation is that it calls for guaranteed minimum broadband speeds. This is, according to the regulations, to ensure that the service does not lose its broadband characteristics.
Currently ADSL is a best-effort service, and this regulation will provide consumers with some protection against vastly oversubscribed offerings. Here the regulations also call for the publication of ‘key performance indicators’ including contention ratios, average latency and packet loss.
Other good news for consumers is that the regulations call for no periodic resets of the ADSL service, something that should give users static IP addresses.
Some consumer concerns addressed
The ICASA ADSL regulations will most likely not have a significant influence on the pricing of the service, but it should improve service levels.
Faster install times, uncapped local bandwidth, un-prioritized traffic, guaranteed minimum throughput and a service level agreement will give consumers something to smile about.
ICASA has indicated that they will address the ADSL pricing issues after it has received Telkom’s COA/CAM reports, and it is hoped that this will result in significant reductions in the price of ADSL.


source : www.mybroadband.co.za/nephp/?m=show&id=3907

slayer676
17 Aug 2006, 21:50
No more shaping.... WOOT and uncapped local...

Gamos
17 Aug 2006, 22:05
Bwhahahaha! Telkom will just sit back and accept? Doubtfull!

Karnaugh
17 Aug 2006, 22:27
Bwhahahaha! Telkom will just sit back and accept? Doubtfull!

I certainly hope not, those regulations are just rediculous

Cataphract
17 Aug 2006, 23:18
I also think they stink something awful. Way more harm than good. The drafters are obviously (mentally) on .56K :(

Gamos
18 Aug 2006, 07:28
ISPs fume over new rulings
http://www.mybroadband.co.za/nephp/?m=show&id=3911

Telkom welcomes regulations
http://www.mybroadband.co.za/nephp/?m=show&id=3910


I for one think that per gig billing should have automatically introduced unshaped bandwidth. These regulations however, does nothing to introduce competition or reduce prices.

GM<Jaymac>MF
18 Aug 2006, 08:30
I completely agree... these rulings change ABSOLUTELY nothing. In fact, the one thing we do get (uncapped local) was something we already had in the first place up until the end of last year. In fact, these rulings just make what Telkom is already doing legal!

GM<Jaymac>MF
18 Aug 2006, 08:53
And... it looks like these regulations only squeeze the poor ISP's more!

I actually can't believe that any form of intelligent life exists at ICASA. I am genuinely astonished.

sneaky
18 Aug 2006, 12:26
Shaping is a bunch of crap especially since you pay for your bandwith.

Karnaugh
18 Aug 2006, 12:29
sadly people hardly understand what "shaping" really means.

Syzygy78
18 Aug 2006, 14:10
yep, i cant stream alot of music because of the shaping ;\ the moment i use an unshaped account, no problem.

Gamos
18 Aug 2006, 14:32
Can this be true?

No more ADSL access charge:
http://www.mybroadband.co.za/nephp/?m=show&id=3923

Bean
18 Aug 2006, 14:44
So the qestion is: How are Telkom going to shift the cost of ADSL line rental into the ISP charge...

Shrimp
18 Aug 2006, 14:48
Is this stuff still in a "draft" state, is it actually going to happen as has been reported this time around, and if so, when?

None of the articles I've read have mentioned any time frames for this to come into effect, which makes me think it's all still just debating?

Bean
18 Aug 2006, 15:15
Well - here is a post from RPM of myadsl discussion forums:

I have just spoken to ICASA, and it is immediately in effect after it has been Gazetted (it is therefore in effect already). I will get some clarity on legal issues later...

That doesn't mean that we'll see any changes any time soon though - considering ISPs still pay for each GB. There seems to be a mismatch somewhere along the way, and I'm sure much debating will ensue.

Bean
18 Aug 2006, 15:32
http://mydrive.co.za/uploads/icasa_adsl_regulations.pdf

If you want to read it for yourself.

Karnaugh
18 Aug 2006, 15:51
So the qestion is: How are Telkom going to shift the cost of ADSL line rental into the ISP charge...

Well thats obvious. They will do it by boosting the charge of radius-realm bandwidth, and IPConnect lines or by overselling.

Ragnarok
19 Aug 2006, 18:36
"From what we can see, ICASA have not yet published the proposed new
regulation you refer to. We are not aware of any confirmation that this
regulation has been implemented.
"

Mweb technicalstaff when asked about twhen the uncapped local bandwith steps in. Does anyone know when thiswill actually startto happen?

bleh i just broke my kb, well thatswhati triedto do so pls bare with me :P

GM<Jaymac>MF
20 Aug 2006, 19:18
If ICASA just made clear what they were trying to implement, there would be a whole lot less debating and a whole lot more actioning.

ICASA may just be the most useless entity on the planet...

Max˛
20 Aug 2006, 19:50
"From what we can see, ICASA have not yet published the proposed new
regulation you refer to. We are not aware of any confirmation that this
regulation has been implemented.
"

Mweb technicalstaff when asked about twhen the uncapped local bandwith steps in. Does anyone know when thiswill actually startto happen?

bleh i just broke my kb, well thatswhati triedto do so pls bare with me :P
As soon as it is Government Gazetted it is in immediate affect.

AND it HAS been Government Gazetted already.