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Santa ANC brought me the Kyoto protocol. So now Santa Work has to bring me a new car.
Anyone have some suggestions on where to find a reasonably priced second hand car that won't fall appart in a years time?
Nautilian
16 Dec 2005, 01:54
What sort of budget are you looking around?
Naut
[N]Haja
16 Dec 2005, 06:04
Junk Mail, try not to go thru dealers, they dodgy.
Also, try and buy from a white lady in the upper highway area, its your best bet, as these are normally used as run around cars, and have very little milage, with a good service record.
http://www.callacar.co.za/asp/default.asp?i=1&id=94
http://www.callacar.co.za/cfm/frames.cfm
http://www.autotrader.co.za/
http://www.automark.co.za/
http://www.dialademo.co.za/
I'll be selling mine soon.
GM<Jaymac>MF
16 Dec 2005, 12:12
I thought you could run your old car on this new petrol np? A friend of mine told me you only have to change your head (whatever that is) and then you're fine. It should be cheaper than buying a whole new car? Surely...
[N]Haja
16 Dec 2005, 13:21
nope, the new petrol will not really be able to run on an old car. It will burn too hot, and will eventually cause your engine to seize. You will need to change your valve stem bushes, along with a few other mods in order to run on the new fuel. I beleive you can also buy an additive to raise the octane if you do not want to goto the schlep of modding youur car.
U need to do a Catalytic conversion, and get lambda sensor, as far as i know the Lamda sensor changes ur fuel and air mixture so that ur car doesnt run too rich or too dry. The lead in the car lubricates the metal parts of da engine, but since they are phasing out LEAD in petrol, the lambda sensor will adjust ur mixture 100% and will avoid a dry running engine. As far as i know, if ur car gets too much air and too lil petrol, u can burn valves etc. And the damage only comes in a few months or so....
Sorry spking under correction here.
But why worry, u can run SASOL's dual fuel, which runs fine on Unleaded and Leaded Petrol engines.
As far as i know, this conversion only works on fuel injected cars.... again under correction.:P
GM<Jaymac>MF
16 Dec 2005, 15:57
So, what about an old beetle. My gf is buying her first car, and she'll probably only get a beat up old beetle. Can you convert this, and can you get around having to pay to much...??
ya, just use sasol dual fuel..............the conversion on a beetle would be pointless, u can rather just buy a new car, coz u'd need Fuel Injection so that the sensor can adjust the mixture right, via the ECU of da car........All beetles are carburettor, sooo everything have to be tuned manually with carb....... (as in by hand) :P
Cripple-X
16 Dec 2005, 17:12
LOL ... OH BTW if anyone owns a motorcycle, just chuck in the new fuel, you have nothing to worry about.
It's amazing what the car places are telling people.
Catalytic converter: This is a ceramic filter in the exhaust of a car which upon heating up sufficiently (due to the heat of the exhaust) burns some of the left over gases further to reduce the amount of toxins released into the atmosphere. Therefore a catalytic converter will not be necessary to run on this 'new' fuel. In fact, removing catalytic converters is standard practice in motorcycle tuning houses and all aftermarket performance exhaust systems come without one.
A lambda sensor: This sensor is used mostly in racing applications, it is located on the exhaust system, usually toward the rear, and actually senses fuel mixture (a lean mixture is hot, a rich mixture is cooler) You can fit a lambda sensor to your car, it just wont do shit, without tens of thousands of rands worth of electronics to actually make the changes to ignition timing and fuel mixture which the sensor reports. No normal car CDI/ECUs are able to adjust these.
The only changes that will probably have to be made is a slight adjustment to ignition timing to prevent pinging.
If you have a Scooby or Lancer etc I suggest you contact your dealer/tuner to make sure because I know they have had issues with weak fuel in the past. Also many of you boy racers will have to retune your machines on the new fuel, as high compression ratios and weak fuel definately do not mix, otherwize you'll have to find a good octane booster and go through alot of shit mixing it up everytime which still doesn't gaurentee your engine will be safe.
As for your beetle: Get the timing adjusted, don't think it will be nessecary though, the carbs are prolly so worn the car is too rich anyway. Then just drive the wheels off it. A beetle will run on anything.
Not trying to sound like a smartass, just trying to help by clarifying shit up. :D
EDIT: Oh sorry ... hai2u, you would prolly be best off buying a VW or Toyota with under 100 000 on the clock, like Haja said, from an older female driver.
Older Female ? You mean a grandma right ..
hai2u, you would prolly be best off buying a VW or Toyota with under 100 000 on the clock, like Haja said, from an older female driver.
now were talking :P
VW FTW:P
[N]Haja
16 Dec 2005, 20:31
lol, its only cos they such shit cars that they cant really go fast, so the engine takes hardly any strain :P
liar, at wesbank i klapped an OPEL Corsa GSI, and he had his Cam, Branches, Freeflow, Head Gasflowed,chipped and Cam done.....
My Golfie is 1.8, weber dcd 36, 288billet cam, branches and freeflow.
Opel stands for (Oh P _ _ S Ek's Laaste)
VW STANDS FOR (VOKKEN WICKED) :P
AHAHAAAHAHAHAH NICE ONE GOZZZY!!!!!
Motorists are being presented with a new range of options on filling station forecourts as the government's cleaner fuels initiative kicks in.
Some may be bewildered or even intimidated by the choice they face. Ben Maclennan spoke to industry roleplayers, including Anton Moldan, environmental adviser to the South African Petroleum Industry Association, and trawled their websites, to compile this list of frequently asked questions and answers.
Q What's happening?
A From January 1, leaded petrol will be phased out. Three unleaded octane grades of petrol - 91, 93 and 95, will be allowed nationally, and two grades of lead replacement petrol - 93 inland and 95 at the coast, will be available for use in older vehicles. At the same time the existing grade of diesel will be replaced by grades with a much lower sulphur content.
Q You say January 1: my local filling station already has different labels on the pumps.
A January 1 is the official changeover date, but some BP service stations have already done it.
Q What's wrong with leaded petrol?
A The lead that goes into petrol gets spewed out of exhaust pipes into the environment. It's a poison: it can cause neurological damage, which particularly in children leads to reduced IQ and behavioural problems.
Q What does "phasing out" mean?
A There will still be some lead even in lead replacement petrol - albeit in ever-decreasing quantities N until all traces of the heavy metal have been flushed from the distribution chain. This could take up to six months.
Q How do I choose between unleaded and lead replacement petrol?
A Open www.naamsa.co.za (http://www.naamsa.co.za/), and on the list of links on the left hand side, click on "vehicle fuel compatibility". On the page that comes up, go to the bottom, click on "Click here to continue to the Database System" and look for your vehicle. Naamsa is the National Association of Automobile Manufacturers of South Africa.
Q Which of the three octanes must I use?
A Look at www.naamsa.co.za (http://www.naamsa.co.za/).
Q I've looked at the website and I'm still confused.
A On the Naamsa "vehicle fuel compatibility" page, click on "manufacturer contact details" to get a number for the people who actually made your car. They should be able to give you the answers you need.
Q I don't have a computer. How do I find out what fuel to use?
A All service stations should have a paper copy of the Naamsa checklist on their forecourts, so you can look there. Or ask your mechanic.
Q Do I have to empty my tank before I fill it with the new petrol or diesel?
A No. You can mix the old and new fuels.
Q How will I know the difference between all these sorts of petrol?
A They will be clearly marked on the pumps.
Q Do I have to do anything to my car's engine?
A Maybe. Some older vehicles - pre 1996, and particularly in coastal areas N may need a timing adjustment if they were using 97 and are going over to 95. Check the Naamsa website or ask your mechanic.
Q If my timing needs adjustment, must it be done before I put in my first dose of cleaner petrol?
A No, but it is a good idea to get it done soon afterwards. Driving for extended periods at speed and under load - for example, pulling a heavy trailer N can damage an engine that is not properly adjusted.
Q How much will the timing adjustment cost?
A Nothing, if you go to one of the over 140 workshops listed on the website of the Retail Motor Industry organisation - www.rmi.org.za (http://www.rmi.org.za/) - who are offering a free timing check, plus a free adjustment if necessary. The RMI can also be contacted on 011-789-2542.
Q Is the new petrol going to be more expensive?
A For the most part no. The exception will be 95 octane petrol in inland areas, which will carry a levy set initially at 10c a litre to encourage motorists not to use an octane grade higher than they need. Lead replacement petrol will be the same price as unleaded of the same grade.
Q Surely it's my choice to use a higher octane if I want? Why must I pay a levy?
A Introduction of cleaner fuels is an environment issue: higher octane petrol requires more energy to produce, and takes a higher toll on the environment.
Q What happens if I use the wrong octane?
A Using a higher octane than you need doesn't improve your car's performance, and is a waste of money. Too low an octane can affect performance and make your engine knock, which is potentially damaging.
Q What is the coastal area?
A Roughly, anywhere below a height of 1200 metres.
Q Will all the octane grades be available at every service station in the country?
A Not necessarily, but there will always be one your car can use.
Q What are bottled additives?
A At some time in the future, as older cars are scrapped and there's no longer enough demand for lead replacement petrol, oil companies may stop making it available through the pumps. At that point, bottled additives which give engines protection against wear will be available on forecourts for vehicles that need it.
Q I drive a diesel vehicle: what do I have to do or worry about?
A Nothing. The cleaner diesel is in fact better for your engine.
Q And the cost?
A It will be more expensive, in line with international market prices.
Q What happens if I drive to a neighbouring country?
A You may not be able to get fuel at all in Zimbabwe, but in other countries you should have no problem finding suitable diesel or petrol, even though you may have to use additives .
Q Is unleaded petrol okay for motorbikes, lawnmowers and outboard engines?
A For most of them, yes, but not for the few which use old engine technology. Ask your dealer if you have doubts.
Q I want more information.
A Have a look at the South African Petroleum Industry Association website - www.sapia.co.za (http://www.sapia.co.za/). On the home page, click on "cleaner fuels" on the left hand side. Or phone them on 021-4198054.
Wh1tE_Tr4sH
17 Dec 2005, 12:14
LOL!
Nice info Gamos. Looks like pretty much all the VW cars are safe to run on unleaded with the timing retarded.
As Haja rightly says on most old cars you need to get the valve head converted because the lead forms a lubricating layer. For me this isn't economical because the engine is old, so it may as well be replaced - and in that case why waste money on a shit car since I'm not from Benoni.
A lambda sensor is part of a dynamic self adjusting timing system, it serves no purpose on an old car and a catalytic converter is just for reducing emisions.
Why the hell would anyone buy a Beetle these days? And Golf MKI/II (Citi, .com etc) are fucking ugly. I've been offered a Golf 3 so I'll probably take it.
[N]Haja
17 Dec 2005, 19:05
golf 3's are pretty heavy on fuel, but and VW, specially the golf range, are damn fine and reliable cars. Not the most exciting, but you cannot go wrong with one (unless its totally shoelaced)
My only worry is its a 94 with 200Kkm on the clock, but looking at the amount of fucking shit out there, for the price its a good deal and miles better than what I'm driving.
[N]Haja
17 Dec 2005, 21:24
my old g2 Jumbo golf had 315k on the clock and still used less than the newer opels i had. Still, 200k is alot, but if its a neat car and you know the history, then its prob gonna last you a good couple years :)
Well it only has to get me around for about 3 or 4 years, so I think it should be ok.
Even so, its my bosses wife is moving overseas so you can guess what sort of driving it's been getting. Still I'll look around, but for the price I'm getting though I'm happy to give it a respray (metalic green just isn't my shade) and a thurough engine service.
[N]Haja
18 Dec 2005, 00:39
Eish, a complete respray (colour change) will cost you an arm and a leg. Friggen huge job, they have to strip most of the car down if you want a decent job. But gl :P
It's worth it for getting rid of the nasty green colour :P
Are you speaking about your avatar with that nasty green color ?
GunJitsu
18 Dec 2005, 07:41
Please guys, let me shoot him.
[N]Haja
18 Dec 2005, 08:29
permission granted
Boogeyman
19 Dec 2005, 20:32
My Golfie is 1.8, weber dcd 36, 288billet cam, branches and freeflow.
:P
Only from Boksburg....
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