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Cataphract
10 Oct 2005, 09:57
Connected the new toy, loaded Setpoint 2.42a and got seven or eight consecutive BF2 freezes/crashes/failed-to-even-starts.
Cursed, disconnected the new toy, connected the MX518, rolled back the old driver and no problemo, BF2 works like a charm. Cursed some more.
The G5 does not give any problems with UT, just BF2.
Has anyone else had a problem?
GunJitsu
10 Oct 2005, 10:41
Nope, my Razer is still working fine thx.
Uninstall BF2, problem solved!
--EDIT--
Waiting for mine to be delivered will test it and let you know when I have it and its not to late.
Nautilian
10 Oct 2005, 13:21
Fixed the problem... he is just REALLY SPECIAL!!!
Eish man, don't install the SetPoint cheese :(
GunJitsu
10 Oct 2005, 18:35
Yes, the universe is flat.
GunJitsu
11 Oct 2005, 10:48
The universe is in 2D, height is just an illusion.
So how exactly did you solve the problem out of interest?
GunJitsu
11 Oct 2005, 11:52
I watched the Carte Blanche special on Sunday about Stephen Hawking and I thought his latest theory is utter crap. I started thinking about getting pulled into a black hole and matter disappearing, it can't disappear but it can be transformed into another dimension, like 2D. An object living in a 3D world won't be aware of the existence of a 2D universe. A big part of the universe had to have been pulled into those millions of black holes so the majority of the universe must be in 2D. I can't however take full credit for this theory; the dolphins under the sea trying to take over the world helped me.
I started thinking about getting pulled into a black hole and matter disappearing, it can't disappear but it can be transformed into another dimension, like 2D. An object living in a 3D world won't be aware of the existence of a 2D universe. A big part of the universe had to have been pulled into those millions of black holes so the majority of the universe must be in 2D.
:rolleyes:
shows how much you know, matter can totaly disapear, especially if it interacts with anti-matter (it then forms pure energy), or if it collapses back into a wave. and 3d is aware of 2d, 3d is not aware of 4d tho. :bounce:
on the other hand matter does not exist unless it bumps into another piece of matter. so if you would stop bumping into physical things, you would no longer physically exist, as you would be totaly undetected.
GunJitsu
11 Oct 2005, 13:31
Who said anything about ping-pong?
VirtualForce
11 Oct 2005, 13:34
4d is time
poo is being spoken here it seems.
EvilCow
11 Oct 2005, 14:01
excellent. youll fit right into the conversation then :)
NOPE, HE WON'T. Just way beyond.
soz, wasn't meant to be at all.
EvilCow
11 Oct 2005, 15:30
excellent. youll fit right into the conversation then :)
see? :)
So how exactly did you solve the problem out of interest?
Yeah, dont leave us hanging:bounce:
GunJitsu
11 Oct 2005, 16:46
I bet he just uninstalled the setpoint drivers.
GunJitsu (member.php?u=17) I'm reading 'A Short History of Nearly Everything' at the moment
http://www.kalahari.net/bk/product.asp?toolbar=mweb&sku=27716283&format=detail
Takes you from the Universe's creation to where we are now, sometimes the author gets into "Who created what theory and how" a bit too frequently etc. but still an excellent read..
I guess the G5 mouse sort of fits into 'A short history of nearly everything' - so looks like we're still on topic. :)
Does the book say how the problem was fixed though?
Dont know but in fear of Setpoint I opted not to install it. Cool mouse so far :D
Nautilian
11 Oct 2005, 23:26
Sneaky you would be silly not to use setpoint, as it makes sure that you have 0 mouse acceleration and gives a more stable mouse filter compared to windows. IMHO setpoint is a MUST.
Naut
agreed, that is exactly what i was going to say!
EvilCow
12 Oct 2005, 01:44
GunJitsu (http://member.php/?u=17) I'm reading 'A Short History of Nearly Everything' at the moment
http://www.kalahari.net/bk/product.a...ormat=detai l (http://www.kalahari.net/bk/product.asp?toolbar=mweb&sku=27716283&format=detail)
Takes you from the Universe's creation to where we are now, sometimes the author gets into "Who created what theory and how" a bit too frequently etc. but still an excellent read..
I just started it a few days ago. its quite fascanating really.
Sneaky you would be silly not to use setpoint, as it makes sure that you have 0 mouse acceleration and gives a more stable mouse filter compared to windows. IMHO setpoint is a MUST.
Naut
Roger that. Only played around for a short while last night but I did notice that the mouse was all over the show, no realy smooth slow motion for hitscan - settings pretty much the same as my old MX510 but with adjustments made to compensate for the high DPI. What do you have your windows acceleration set to? Mine is curently at highest and I think it might be a bit overkill for this mouse.
Ta
<A>Nom@n
12 Oct 2005, 19:19
heh ive found exactly the opposite. setpoint makes the mouse feel jerkier and breaks compatability with some games.
Nautilian
13 Oct 2005, 03:27
Ok first off, WINDOWS ACCLERATION IS A BAD BAD BAD THING, set it to OFF, this is due to the fact that the algorithim so I have heard does more harm than good!!! Next thing I would recommend is running setpoint with a 5 bar from the left setting in the logitech settings and in the windows settings a dead middle bar settings. With this it allows for both filters to work and produces the best smoothness.
Noman commenting on your statement, I would like to point out that LOGITECH introduced that feature strictly for incompatibility issues. HOWEVER, anybody whom is as accurate as yourself should know that not using setpoing will only operate the MX518 or G5 at a maximum of 800Dpi. It would apply the same way to a Razer mouse where one does not use the drivers and will run at max 800Dpi. I think people should know that just because a mouse is rated at 2000dpi does not mean that the laser or optical camera runs continously at 2000dpi, it is a fluxation that is CONTROLLED by the manufactures software, that is why you see a huge jump in sensitivity when switching between a windows driver to Setpoint or Razers software. The software is enhancing the mouses ENGINE. Another example is the frequency the mouse operates at 200, 250, 500 or 1000. This is also very important to a mouse.
Naut
:confused: new hardware sux teh big 11one. I also used nothing but Windows acceleration previously I will try Nauts way as I have tryed windows accel with the G5 and it didnt feel right, think you need to get used to it as their is quite a differance from my 510.
The smoveness when using hitscan is great its when I start twitching for flack rockets or anything in close quarters that the wheels start falling of.
<A>BioGizzard
13 Oct 2005, 12:58
a4tech for the win..:P
<A>Nom@n
15 Oct 2005, 07:38
HOWEVER, anybody whom is as accurate as yourself should know that not using setpoing will only operate the MX518 or G5 at a maximum of 800Dpi.
Nice try with the psychology (I guess) but that doesn’t make your statement true. If you have any service pack for XP installed the windows driver is perfectly capable of supporting high dpi.
Heck, even on the Logitech site they advertise the mx518 as
1600dpi, 800dpi and 400dpi settings selectable without the need for the Setpoint drivers
You just need to install setpoint if you want to select dpi's in-between those.
its also easy to disable mouse acceleration in windows (positive and negative), increase the default polling frequency to ludicrous levels (you can use something like USB Mouserate Switcher), and there’s also various apps available to set profiles per game/app for logitech mice, including binding keys to buttons (www.logigamer.com (http://www.logigamer.com) comes to mind but I’ve never tried any of these apps so cant comment on how good they are).
So in a nutshell - if you are having trouble with your logitech mouse in a game there are real alternatives to using the setpoint drivers to sort it out without any performance hit. If the Logitech drivers work for you though it’s worthwhile to keep for the convenient features like the shortcut keys etch.
Cataphract
19 Oct 2005, 10:34
It is not actually the G5 mouse that is the problem. And no, I am not as special as Nautilian would like to suggest.
Setpoint 2.42a IS THE PROBLEM. The G5 works fine without it on BF2, but I have decided to revert back to my MX518 until my new machine arrives in about a week or two.
Setpoint 2.42a IS THE PROBLEM. The G5 works fine without it on BF2
Yes.
Manufacturer mouse drivers < pooh, regardless of how cool the hardware may be, they always mess up with the drivers :(.
<A>BioGizzard
19 Oct 2005, 11:57
until my new machine arrives in about a week or two.
new Machine? wtf is wrong with the "NEW ONE" you have now?
p.s please feel free to donate anything u don't need to this poor kemptonian
p.s please feel free to donate anything u don't need to this poor kemptonian
almost sounds as bad as gaytonian.
Cataphract
19 Oct 2005, 12:25
LOL @ Bio.
Bio, the new one brings tears to the eyes. ;)
EvilCow
19 Oct 2005, 12:40
www.google.com
Cataphract
19 Oct 2005, 12:46
I will post the specs once she's up and running. ;) I am visiting her tonight to see how she's doing. :D
EvilCow
19 Oct 2005, 12:48
R50 says she has two GF7s.
<A>BioGizzard
19 Oct 2005, 14:39
my oe water al reeds
You planning on selling any of your old ones? :D
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